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Cassim's June 26 testimony

Did that ever happen?

MR CASSIM: No.

MS BATOHI: So is Mr Cronjé either mistaken or lying about that?

MR CASSIM: I think so.

MS BATOHI: Paragraph 56, the second line: "He and Hamid had become increasing upset by the fact that I had not delivered the required results, in consequence of which they had been losing more and more money." Did you ever convey that to Mr Cronjé?

MR CASSIM: No.

MS BATOHI: And finally, in paragraph 61. It was put to you by my learned friend, Mr Manca - paragraph 61 was put to you, was read to you, I think it was up until 'interested', but I'm going to read to you until 'India': "After the 2000 Indian tour, whilst I was in Dubai for the Sharjah Cup in March of this year, I was again contacted by Hamid. He indicated that Sanjay wishes to resume contact with me along the same lines as in India." And them Mr Manca read further and you said you can't deny that conversation did take place. Do you recall that?

MR CASSIM: Correct.

MS BATOHI: So just the converse of that, what you're saying is that that conversation could possibly have taken place.

MR CASSIM: Possibly.

MS BATOHI: Now let's, on the basis that it could possibly have taken place, Mr Cronjé would have said to you then that: "Sanjay wished to resume contact with me along the same lines as in India." That is what it says there, and you say that that conversation could possibly have taken place. You understand so far?

MR CASSIM: Yes.

MS BATOHI: Now why would Mr Cronjé phone you and tell you that he wants to resume contact with Sanjay along the same lines as in India, when you don't even know what happened in India on your version?

MR CASSIM: Mr Cronjé didn't phone me that he wants to resume the same lines as with Sanjay. Sanjay wanted to resume the line with Mr Cronjé.

MS BATOHI: Sorry, just explain that to me, I'm a bit confused.

MR CASSIM: Batohi said that Cronjé phoned. It wasn't Cronjé.

MS BATOHI: So who called you? This is Mr Cronjé's statement. He says he was contacted by you, Hamid. Look at the second line. "After the 2000 Indian tour whilst I was in Dubai for the Sharjah Cup in March of this year, I was again contacted by Hamid. He indicated..." that is you: "....that Sanjay wished to resume contact with me along the same lines as in India." That means that you are now telling Cronjé that Sanjay wishes to resume contact with him on the same lines as in India. Now you've just a few minutes before that said you can't deny this, this could possibly have happened. Now what would Mr - you on your evidence had no idea at all what was going on in India. Why would you have contacted Mr Cronjé to tell him that Sanjay wants to resume contact on the same basis?

MR CASSIM: I presume it was the pitch reports, the runs and all that.

MS BATOHI: Well, why do you presume that? What was it? You're in the best position to tell us.

MR CASSIM: It was that. It was the pitch reports, it was the team selections. And Adv Batohi, I know I'm going to be out of context here, but I wish you can get those tapes from India, and I will - I definitely know I don't feature in any in those tape in India, from India.

MS BATOHI: At the moment I'm - the tapes in India don't matter in this instance. So you now say that you did contact Mr Cronjé whilst he was in Dubai. You did tell him that Sanjay wishes to resume contact along the same lines as in India, and you say that that would have been about pitch reports and team selections. Is that what you're saying?

MR CASSIM: Possibly, but I know I did contact Hansie in India, and he had some tickets also for a match.

MR CASSIM: In Sharjah, that's correct.

MS BATOHI: Alright. Well, let's forget about the tickets part of it. What did you talk to him about what sort of contacts Sanjay wished to resume with him?

MR CASSIM: I presumed it was ...(intervention)

MS BATOHI: Not presume, Mr Cassim. You were the one that had the conversation. Let's just have the facts.

MR CASSIM: It must be relating to match ...(intervention)

MS BATOHI: Not 'must be', Mr Cassim. Let's just get down to the facts, and we're going to be much quicker. I want to know from you, you phoned Mr Cronjé in Sharjah, okay? You say it was regarding some tickets et cetera, but also you phoned him about Sanjay wanting to resume contact with him. Now tell me about what you told him, about Sanjay wanting to resume contact with him. That's what I'm interested in, and not 'it must be', or 'I presume', you had the conversation. Just tell us like it was.

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