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Cassim's June 26 testimony

MR CASSIM: That Sanjay made to me?

MR MANCA: Let's start again. I'm reading to you from Mr Cronjé's statement at paragraph 51. The first four words. "Hamid kept phoning me..." do you understand that?

MR CASSIM: Correct.

MR MANCA: Is that correct?

MR CASSIM: Yes.

MR MANCA: The next bit of the sentence, "... and saying that I should speak to Sanjay". MR CASSIM: That's correct.

MR MANCA: That's also correct. The next bit of the sentence, "...who was now worse of than before."

MR CASSIM: I did not say that.

MR MANCA: Alright what was ...(intervention)

COMMISSIONER: No the witness wouldn't have said that obviously in the nature of things, that's what he would have been told, presumably.

MR MANCA: The next bit, "...that he needed to win some money. Did you tell Mr Cronjé that Sanjay needed to win some money?

MR CASSIM: No.

MR MANCA: And did you tell Mr Cronjé, to quote Mr Cronjé, "I would have to deliver something".

MR CASSIM: No.

MR MANCA: Now, so the point of departure between you and Mr Cronjé is the extent to which you were suggesting to Mr Cronjé that he had he had to play along or that he had to deliver something to Mr Sanjay.

MR CASSIM: No the only thing I could tell Mr Cronjé was that Sanjay needed to speak to him. Whatever Mr Cronjé has written here, he has to answer to this because if I recall clearly, Mr Commissioner if I'm not out of context here that he told Adv Batohi that Sanjay kept on pestering him and told he was worse off than before. The next day ...(intervention)

MR MANCA: Sorry can I just stop you there for a moment, are you suggesting that Mr Cronjé is incorrect because the testimony in fact to this Commission was that it was Sanjay who told him that he was worse off than before. Is that ...(intervention)

MR CASSIM: That's correct.

MR MANCA: Is that the basis which you're saying that Mr Cronjé must be incorrect here?

MR CASSIM: That's correct.

MR MANCA: This is of course Mr Cronjé's statement.

MR CASSIM: That's correct, I know that.

MR MANCA: You are now trying to argue and find reasons as to why Mr Cronjé is incorrect, is that...(intervention)

MR CASSIM: I'm not trying to argue or look for reasons.

MR MANCA: Alright, the point of difference between you and Mr Cronjé and the statement is that you suggest that you didn't encourage him to cooperate and deliver to Mr Sanjay.

MR CASSIM: Never.

MR MANCA: What type of thing did Mr Sanjay Chawla say to you when he would phone you?

MR CASSIM: "Please can you get hold of Hansie, I would like to speak to him."

MR MANCA: About what?

MR CASSIM: I presume it was regarding pitch reports, forecasting, but until what has now transpired in the newspapers, I realised what they're up to.

MR MANCA: Alright let's first deal with your presumptions. You presumed that it was in relation to pitch conditions and match forecasting you said?

MR CASSIM: Did I say match forecasting or did I say pitch reports, selections, how many runs would be scored.

MR MANCA: I recall you now saying match forecasting.

MR CASSIM: I could have erred.

MR MANCA: When did you err, when you made a presumption or a minute ago?

MR CASSIM: A minute ago.

MR MANCA: Alright let's stick with what you say is not an error. He was talking to you about - you presumed that it was in respect of pitch conditions?

MR CASSIM: Correct.

MR MANCA: Key selections?

MR CASSIM: Correct.

MR MANCA: Why would Mr Sanjay...(intervention) telephonic contact.

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