People working against India from Pakistani soil are 'not non-state actors' and New Delhi [Images] should build up more pressure to ensure that the terror establishments in the neighbouring country are closed, experts said on Saturday.

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"The terror outfits working against India in Pakistan are not non-state actors. Our government has so far held the view that certain elements from Pakistan are involved in the Mumbai attacks. It should rather say that Pakistan itself is involved in the attacks," Satish Chandra, former high commissioner in Pakistan and former deputy national security adviser, said at a seminar in New Delhi.

He said Pakistan has been using terror against India since 1947.

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The Khalistan movement was propagated by Pakistan. The insurgency in Kashmir has the support of Pakistan, he said at the seminar on 'Security environment and business in India' organised by Birla Institute of management Technology.

Lt Gen N S Malik said, "Jihadi forces are the outcome of Pakistan's failure in wars with India."

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Now Pakistan wants to create terror in the mind of people of India and destabilise the country. Public have to be vigilant and stand up against the menace, he said.

The experts felt that systemic failure, inert supervisory mechanism, lack of strong political will, flaws in intelligence collection and dissemination accounted for such attacks in Mumbai.