The Rediff Special
'Indo-Pak bickering
makes for nice entertainment'
Nightmare of Flight 814, Message Board. Views verbatim, edited lightly.
Name:Dayal Chandwani
Email:dayal@onramp.net
Message:Yes, it is certain that pak masterminded this hijacking.
It is shame that so called USA policy or politics
prevent USA from declaring Pak as terrorist nation.
Name:Vivek
Email:vivpr@hotmail.com
Message:its appalling to see messages that call for india to sponsor terrorism in pak. in a quid pro quo fashion. it is not the indian way of handling things, we dont resort to such tactics to settle the score. india is a land of krishna and gandhi, the combination of which advocates us to fight till the end but legitimately.
while our crpf jawans and soldiers are getting killed, it is needless for us to play or watch cricket with country like pakistan. there are enough friendly nations in the world with whom we can better the ties through sports. experience has tought us that playing cricket with pak only hampers even whatever little regards we hold for that country governed by rogues.
Name:Satyanarayan
Email:csnarayan@yahoo.com
Message:If we do and think like the terrorist
what way are we different from them? I
the sense of revenge, cold blooded killing
by the government is a dagerous step. Once
we go in this direction, we should not
forget that we may be also be at the
recieving end of such methods. We must
act like a mature state, and deal with
the problem in as diplomatic a way as
possible. Killing in custody under the
assumption of being a terrorist is not
the solutions.
Name:South_Asian
Email:This@is.sick
Message:Get over it guys. The US will not declare Pakistan a terrorist state for many reasons.
1) Their isn't enough evidence. The fact that the hijackers were Paki citizens does not
prove that Paki Govt. was involved in this.
2) There is a strong lobby in the US that believes that Indian claim on Kashmir is not as
legitimate as we Indians think.
3) India has historically opposed many stands the US has taken. Remember sucking up to the Soviets
and condemning US operations in Iraq and Kosovo, etc.
4) India is not an important economic power in the world for the US to waste it's time.
5) Just because the US is suffering from the terrorist problem does not mean it has to agree with
India on the Kahmir issue.
6) India (and not Pakistan) has always rejected any US mediation on the Kashmir matter. Why the hell should
the US bother now? Go. Solve your problem yourself.
All you can do is lick your wounds right now.
Name:AJ
Email:axj@net.net
Message:India will face increasing assaults from within and without in the near future. I see a lot of rhetoric here at rediff but wonder if it will remain an extension of the abundant aarmchair rhetoric we see in india. The question we need to ask ourselves everyday is whether we did our part to make India a better place today. If we educate and energize we and ours as our life's mission, India can have a favorable feature after 20-30 years. What we see today is a natural outcome of the state of affairs over 20-30 years back or more.
Name:Nasir K.
Email:nk@nk.com
Message:Reading the postings to this board one comes away with the following impressions:
1. There was not a single posting with any analysis - in fact not even an attempt to analyse the whole hijack incident.
2. The vast majority of readers give the distinct impression of being incapable of independant thinking or analysis - lending credibility to the common belief that the fundamentalist Hindu movement of the past decade is chauvinistic, fascist and unnecessarily jongoistic.
3. Most readers who posted to this board seemed to have a large brown bag over their heads with respect to their internal problems - the vast majority are either too afraid or too arrogant to think that the fundamentalists in power and the upper caste oligarchy continue to plunder the country's goodwill and good fortune.
4. The rest of the world does not swallow the bilge of the Indian media.
5. In begging the world community to declare Pakisan a terrorist state, the door has been opened for the International community to examine both sides of the question. Is it in fact true that Pakistan is a terrorist state or is it true that India as a state is terrorising the people of Indian-held Kashmir. An objective person is likely to vote for the latter, given that India has over 600,000 of its armed forces subjugating a small population which is in open revolt and that India has in fact killed over 75,000 Kashmiri freedom fighters in the last decade.
6. Those who dislike India - upon reading the views on this board - will be delighted. Delighted to see that the fascist mentality thrives more than the rational, that the spirit of questioning, rationalization and critical self-examination are not part of the vocabulary of educated Indians just as the word "maintenance" does not occur in Sanskrit. A country composed of such a tribe, will never rise beyond its petty self.
Name:N. Masilamani Mudali
Email:mmudaliyar@perianna.com
Message:Dear Rediff,
Suppose Clinton takes pity on Vajpayee and declares Pakistan a Terrorist State. In response to that, Pakistan - not being a meek, naive and blind society like India - will surely increase its terrorism against India.
What does Vajpayee propose to do then?
Whom will he request next to declare Pakistan a Terrorist State, Mark-II ?
Sincerely,
N. Masilamani Mudali
New York City, NY USA
Name:Gopal Keshri
Email:keshrig@hotmail.com
Message:Dear Sir,
Through this message board I would like to convey to the Indian Government that In retaliation to the recent Hijack, all the terrorist who are in Indian Jails should be Shot Dead. At least the 33 terrorist must be killed without any delay who were in the list of hijacker's demand.
Thanks.
Name:Piyush Padmawar
Email:piyush@plexustech.net
Message:There is need to be more aggresive
while dealing with such crises, Why not Pakistan is been threaten at the first place before even talking to hijackers.When we know who are at the rout , they has to be strongly threaten.
Why India should take so much time to blaim Pakistan for all this?
Why can not our inteligence is smart enough that it could not even say who has done it,
actually they are supposed to be smart enough that they should stop it before it happen.
Name:suresh balakrishnan
Email:sureshbanu@hotmail.com
Message:Forget Hijacking. Forget Bomb Blasts. Forget handing over three Militants. Its very high time that Government kill the remaining 33!! (If there are more fine...it won't be as bad as Latur Quake, or Oriisa Flood, or Kargil).
I think we should stop blaming it on Pakistan/ISI for all bomb blasts. ther is no point. Bombay blast killed 300+ people. Coibatore blast 200 +, kargil 1000 + and of course Orissa flood 10000+. When Indians have the intelligence and power to capture 36 dreaded militants, why not shoot them.
When innocents die, they have every right to die. Consider this as another natual calamity. Forget ethics, forget human rights, forget fair trial...if a terrorist is caught red handed, what other proofs you need? If India feels its a democratic country, it can't do that way...take my adivice:
You have hundreds of options:
1. Confirm whether he/she is a terrorist.
2. If so do the following:
a) Shoot them and burn them. don't tell you have captured them at all! (We are not interested in praising Indians efficiency in capturing militants. We don't like bull-shitting!!!).
3. If u have already told that so and so are captured, tell one lie that they had a jail brake out and escaped yesterday early morning (of course weeks after killing them...).
4. India's great Ethics - less EPICs like Ramayana and Mahabaratha also portrays killing the enemies for better world. After all, Lord Krishna's all Avatars were to save Human...
5. Its high time that you either kill them, or at least tell press that have escaped.
6. If India is so kind enough not to kill, at least tell u never captured and keep them in high security jails for life time.
7. Giving publicity for what u do really back fires. Don't tell anyone what u do!
Do we Indians really think? Am
Name:janardhanan.
Email:jkuyilan@hotmail.com
Message:we should hang the 34 terrorists whom the hijackers had demanded to relaese with out any further delay.why are we feeding these people in the jail.Lot of criminal are killed in bombay. why we afraid of eliminating these terrorist?.Mr.Vajpayee as a person is not suitable as prime minister of india.we want a tough and sincere person to handle such situatuion.
Name:raju ramchandani
Email:rajuramchandani@hotmail.com
Message:WHO CARES IF USA DOES NOT DECLARE PAKISTAN A TERRORIST STATE.LET US DO THAT.
THERE AR SO MANY ENCOUNTER DEATHS TAKING PLACE LET THERE BE A FEW MORE ENCOUNTER OF THOSE TERRORISTS LODGED IN THE JAILS.LET NOT A SINGLE TERRORIST AGAIN THINK OF HIJACKING ANYTHING INDIAN.TO HELL WITH THE HUMAN RIGHTS
Name:ruchi sharma
Email:ruchi420@hotmail.com
Message:i don't think anything else is needed to declare pakistan as a rogue state.there is enough evidence for india to go ahead and demand for the declaration of pakistan as a terrorist state.
Name:Arindam Mukherjee
Email:arindam_1999@yahoo.com
Message:I feel that there is no point to cry over spilled milk. What had been done was correct under the circumstance and no one could have taken the risk of storming the plane at Amritsar as any adverse result would have left the country devastated.
What we should learn to do now is develop antihijacking methods to protect our people and airline.
Another point I do not understand is what is the requirement of keeping these dangerous Pakistani nationals alive in our jail, feed them and spend money on their security. If it's for international image I feel India may well forget it as we have seen the world response- they show sympathy but no action.
The best method and the only method that should be applied is shoot them as soon as they are caught- THATS THE ONLY SOLUTION.
Name:Sherileen Torres
Email:mtg-sher2000@excite.com
Message:I sincerely think that India
should not be pointing fingers
right away without any sufficient
evidence. No one knows what
the hijackers' motives were,
so we don't have any clue as
to why they hijacked the plane
nor do we know if it has any
connection with the Pakistan
government.
Name:K.subrahmanyam
Email:subrah@mrl.co.in
Message:There is sufficient evidence
to show that Pakistan is involved
in hijacking.Majority of the terrorists
are Pakistanis.Pakistanis are desparate after
their Kargil defeat.
We should capture the terrosists and Prove with
strong evidence that Pakistan is a terrorist state.
Name:Abraham
Email:agejoph@yahoo.co
Message:True to the saying INDIA and we indians have no guts I thought our prime minister was stronger, come on if i was a pasanger i would rather die in the plane but never give in to the militans at least all my family and Indians would gain from my life for the country INDIA and me also has been week
Name:asmeet shah
Email:asmeetshah@rediff.com
Message:No India's demand for declaring pakistan a terrorist state is fully rational. It is as clear as crystal pakistan's hand in recent hijacking as well as the kargil criss. how long & how far are we going to tolerate this nonesense from pakistan. it is a high time that the world community takes a action against pakistan. there can be no better action other than declaring pakistan a terrorist state & freezing all help to pakistan. it would also mean isolation of pakistan.
JAI HIND.
Name:mufad
Email:mufad@yahoo.com
Message:why don't we such chemicals which would kill a person after few months,by giving it to the assholes at prisons we can do two things in one shot,first we will kill them also by leaving them we will male them think that we are scared !
Name:Manoj Panjwani
Email:manojpanjwani@rediff.com
Message:To avoid such incidents in the future, the best and cheapest solution is to not arrest the militants but to execute them as soon as they are seen or caught.
I would also like to remind myself that with the type of politicians that we have anything that requires ugly decisions to be made is not a possibility.
Name:Shantanu Soman
Email:somanshantanu@hotmail.com
Message:It is very easy to say that the Indian government was weak in handling the Hijack crisis, but there was no other option. This certainly isn't the first time that militants were exchanged for hostages, even a powerful & gutsy country like Israel had to do it once.
According to me, a Bill should be passed in the Parliament which will allow the security agencies to Shoot anyone who is even remotely connected to ISI or other terrorist organizations without going through the long legal procedures. We have to be ruthless while dealing with the terrorists. The So-called Human Rights Organizations also should keep their mouths shut in such cases; if the terrorists don't care about human rights then why should we think of the same while dealing with them?
Name:Jags Pinni
Email:jpinni@yahoo.com
Message:We don't have words about the
agony of the Passengers in
the flight 814.There is 100%
proof of Pakistan and also
Taliban's involvement in it.
Instead of feeding this terrorists
in the jail the Govt should
execute them immediately after
being caught without any delay.
Why is the Government still
dillydallying in this matter ?.
Name:AJ
Email:ajosel@yahoo.com
Message:I suggest once a terrorist is
caught, if evidences are sufficient make the court procedures fast and hang him at the earliest. Because as long as he exists he is a threat to the whole society.
And a new law to avoid exchange of terrorists for civilians.
Name:HARISH RANGWANI.
Email:satnamsakshi@entelchile.net
Message:OUR WHOLE SYSTEM IS IN A MESS, IT IS GRADUALLY FALLING APART, THE POWER HUNGRY POLITICIANS PLAY WITH THE SENTIMENTS OUR PEOPLE, JUST TO MAINTAIN THEIR GRIP ON THE CHAIR.
IT'S A PITY THAT A NATION OF 1 BILLION PEOPLE IS, A MILITARY MIGHT, AN INDUSTRIALLY ADVANCED COUNTRY IS SUCCUMBING TO THE PRESSURE APPLIED BY THE OUTSIDE FORCES.
IT NEEDS LOT OF COURAGE & POLITICAL WILL TO FIGHT TERRORISM IN OUR COUNTRY AND UNFORTUNATELY INDIAN PEOPLE ARE SO SELF CENTRED & PREOCCUPIED WITH THEIR PETTY BENEFITS, THEY ARE LEAST INTERESTED IN PRESSURISING THE GOVT. TO TAKE DRASTIC STEPS TO ELIMINATE TERRORISM & CRIME FROM INDIAN SOIL.
I RECOMMEND INDIAN GOVT. TO CARRY OUT BOMBING CAMPAIGN AGAINST ALL THE TRAINING CAMPS OF TERRORISTS, WHETHER ON INDIAN SOIL OR IN NEIGHBOURING COUNTRIES, INDIA'S INTEREST SHOULD BE KEPT FIRST AND SHOULD'NT BE AFRAID OF FACING A WAR WITH PAKISTAN OR TALIBAN, INFACT WE ARE ALREADY AT WAR WITH PAKISTAN SINCE INDEPENDENCE AND TRY TO RESOLVE THE MATTER ONCE & FOR ALL, NO MATTER WHATEVER SACRIFICES A NATION NEEDS TO MAKE TO SECURE A BETTER FUTURE FOR OUR COMING GENERATIONS.
Name:Manoj Kumar
Email:Manojku@Singnet.com.sg
Message:Entire world knows what Pakistan has been doing. Pakistan should not behave in a way that others try to declare it a terrorist state.
Name:K. Narain
Email:kuldeep@saxena.com
Message:Our habit of looking up to USA for condemning the open acts of terrorism by Pakistan has to stop. We must take lessons from Isralies. Hit them where it hurts the most, without bothering about reactions of the other countries. It is we who are suffering and let it be very clear to everyone that no one is going to extend helping hand. It is high time that we target the terrorist camps, atleast in occupied Kashmir. I am very sure that this is the only solution to our woes in Kashmir. Out of our nincompoop politicians, who will bell the cat, that is the question?!!
Name:South Asian
Email:this@is.sick
Message:Our country is being run by a bunch of
baboons. Instead of focussing on the real issue
of listening to the people of Kashmir, they prefer
to indulge themselves in their lost "fake" pride.
And, of course, blame Pak for even their son's
stomach flu.
These old people of the Indo-Pak Partition era,
currently in their 60s and 70s, have poisoned the
minds of an entire new generation. These so called
leaders want to make sure that even the next generation
doesn't have chance of making peace in this region.
Let go of your worthless, stupid pride.
The land belongs to the Kashmiris. Let them
decide their future.
Disgusted South Asian.
PS: On the positive side, the Indo-Pak bickering
makes a nice freak show for the entertainment of the rest
of the world.
Name:Anil
Email:apatil@shadow.net
Message:Military Govt. of Pakistan can carry out operations and disclaim due to negative publicity. It has openly admitted that it supports intelligence and promote such groups.Then, disclaim responsibilty. The case is clear...It is undeclare war by Pakistan and India is searching for a paper trail. It is time for India to attack terrorist camps regardless of border and resolve the kashmir issue without moving into next century.
Name:Preeti Kaur
Email:apni_girl@hotmail.com
Message:Hello, Namaste, aur Sat Sri Akal!
Naiya Sal Mubarak!!
I'm an Indian girl born in Canada and studying here but, I've been to India so much and I know a lot about India!!
Well, I'm writing on behalf of declaring Pak a terrorist state. I feel that Pak does support terrorism and encourages
these terrorists to do such acts. Personally, I have cousins and family members that are pilots, co pilots, politicians, and
business people some which serve for India!! Pak is falsely accusing India of many things that which India hasn't contributed to.
All 5 of these hijackers are of Pakistani nationals and India has enought evidence to back this up. If Pak cared so much about
not being called a terrorist state then why don't they do something about these 5 hijackers???? Pak should have learned a lesson
about the Kargil War. India is far more advanced than Pak. I'm becoming a Flight Engineer and I will be working for India!! Phir Bhi
Dil Hai Hindustani!!
Thank you for your time!!
Preeti.......:)
Name:sheela
Email:sheelas99@yahoo.com
Message:Pakistan has to declared a terroist state. Pakistan has been continuosly indulging in disrupting peace in India. For example is the Kargil intrusion and now encouraging the hijack of the India Irlines flight.
Name:Sudarshan
Email:v.sudarshan@vsnl.com
Message:Calling a spade, a spade does make sense. But merely calling names does not solve problems. Pakistan is "NAAPAK" (unholy)and we all know it. It hardly matters whether we call it a terrorist or rogue state.
We have a problem on hand with a dirty neighbour. We should attempt to solve it rather than worry about giving titles.
Name:Sean Mier
Email:sean_mier@hotmail.com
Message:Case 1: US just has suspicion that Sudan was involved in the US embassy's bombing in Africa. US bombs Sudan and many innocent lives are lost.
Case 2: India has pile of evidence (not suspicion like in Case 1) that Pakistan has played a key role in recent hijacking. The culprits have surfaced in Pakistan. But US needs more evidence before even declaring Pakistan as a terrorist state.
Lesson 1: Unless direct US lives are lost, US does not pay any attention!
Lesson 2: Why should India try to justify to US - they should take take their own retaliatory measures.
Name:harpal
Email:sonu_78@usa.net
Message:This hijack is India's biggest defeat against Pakistan.This hijack is pre-planned game which is played by Pakistan with India,whole pakistan politcs is behind this hijack.
But,if Indians want they can defuse this haijack like defusing a bomb,because "Unity is Power".If the men passengers tried they would have overcome those five hijackers because they are almost 15 times more than hijackers.
Now,India should concentrate more on 'that this should not happen agian,besides giving this case CBI for investigation'.
Name:chandrasekhar reddy
Email:chakhri@hotmail.com
Message:PAKISTAN MUST BE DECLARED AS A TERRORIST STATE AND ALL THE TRAINING CAMPS IN THAT COUNTRY MUST BE ATTACKED BY MISSILES BY INDIA LIKE AMERICA DID ON AFGANISTHAN. NOTHING LESS THAN THIS.
Name:Alkesh K. Patel
Email:
Message:
Name:Alkesh K. Patel
Email:ravi_flor@hotmail.com
Message:Pakistan should definately be declared as TERRORIST STATE .And INDIA should definately STOP all relationship with Pakistan .
Name:ashish
Email:ashish123@rediff.com
Message: well i think this
is a lesson to all our leaders
that sending a bus to a country
don't lead to good relationship's
it's the nature of the other person that
matter a lot .the u.n.o which
was set up to establish peace and security could
not do anything,
the person who can help india is
only the citizens of it.
the u.s.a. was neutral in this regard
Name:Sanjay Hatankar
Email:sanjay_hatankar
Message:Indian Govt. has been crass. Jaswant, Vajpayee and Mishra behaved like fools. It is time for Indian to join Russia and launch two-pronged attack on Pakis and Afghans. We should just finish them this time, and take back all our land. The Indo-Russian border will have peace and prosperity.
Name:Avinash
Email:avinash@casema.net
Message:Mandatory death penalty for
terrorism (and terrorism related crimes ) and corruption would greatly enhance security and prosperity in India
Name:Alpha Malhotra
Email:alpha_malhotra@hotmail.com
Message:Yes, I think Pakistan was involved in this hijacking and they should be declared as a terrorrist state.
Name:nagabhushanam
Email:manikyanilayam@yahoo.com
Message:plese send a map
Name:Rakesh Gupta
Email:crotech@nda.vsnl.net.in
Message:Nothing takes shape in moments. Lots of years of mistakes are culminating in this drama which has come as surprise to Indians since we are never ready for the crises .It is onbly after the crises that we realise to rectify the mistakes in the future events. We do forget that no two events on the earth are look alike.
Read what other readers said:
'Get into Afghanistan and kill the hijackers'
'The Govt should directly talk with the hijackers and release the passengers without succumbing to their demands'
'Distract the hijackers, storm the plane, shoot the criminals and rescue the hostages'
'An SOP must be in place, formulated without a second's delay'
'We should do an operation a la Entebbe whatever the consequences'
'The Govt should avail of all diplomatic means to get the passengers released'
'Never give in to terrorist demands'
'The relatives' behaviour is understandable --- they are under emotional pressure'
'It is scary to think what the 35 terrorists would do if they were released'
'Indian are and will always be ready to sacrifice their lives for the nation'
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